[00:00:03] Especially considering I've flaked on lunch already a couple times. :P [00:00:33] Word. [00:02:09] evincar: how about saturday? [00:02:19] Where where you thinking? [00:04:19] Saturday (25 June) works for me. I can host (Burlingame) if it's not too far out of people's way? [00:07:11] that works for me [00:07:37] I can also drive, at minimum to pick people up from the train. I'm 5mi from BART/Caltrain. [00:11:58] i'd drive myself [00:45:30] evincar: Have you moved, or are you in the same place? [00:47:08] I don't think I've met erg before. [00:48:45] jeaye: I'm in a new place, still in Burlingame though. [00:49:03] Further from the train station now? [00:49:16] I met erg recently at a little get-together we had with bmp & slava. [00:49:59] I'm right near the Burlingame Caltrain, and a short drive from Millbrae BART+Caltrain. [00:50:51] Ok. I will need to check with my better half, but I think Saturday would work. [00:51:09] :) [01:23:51] hey evincar :) [01:24:23] what was it you wanted me to read? maybe I'm just obtuse, but I can't seem to find the new stuff [01:36:52] groovy2shoes: Nothings up yet, sorry. :( [01:37:02] evincar, ah, no problem :) [01:37:03] s/s/'s/ [01:37:18] I need to get some information about Evelin up online... [01:37:45] been putzing around about it because I'm not sure what to say yet... the design hasn't been finalized and everything I can think of seems a little nebulous :I [01:38:17] Well, that's how it starts out, though, isn't it? High-level goals and guiding principles. [01:38:18] evincar, anyway, how's it going? [01:39:40] Not bad. Didn't touch Kitten's code yesterday, but spent time figuring out a tutorial outline. [01:39:50] awesome [01:40:08] I stumbled across your youtube page... had a good laugh :D [01:40:16] It's hard to figure out a good order for presenting stuff that's both interesting (doesn't bore the reader) and monotonic (doesn't use things that haven't been introduced yet). [01:40:28] speaking of which, have you recorded any talks about kitten? [01:40:40] Sadly no. I gave one talk, but it wasn't recorded. [01:40:48] Posted the slides on /r/concatenative, though. [01:40:49] oh, I totally know what you mean re: good tutorials [01:41:21] I have that problem quite often when I write, actually [01:41:48] I'll sit their forever staring at a blank page and just think "how the fuck should I organize this stuff?" [01:42:01] the other problem I have is writing good conclusions... [01:43:52] The traditional thing is to just restate the thesis. [01:44:30] "Kitten is good for X. It has Y and Z. Here's how Y and Z combine to be good for X. As you can see, Kitten is good for X." [01:44:53] Not exciting, but it gets the job done, and optimises for the recency effect. [01:47:31] heheh [01:47:39] I used to get penalized for that back in high school [01:47:49] though none of my university professors seemed to give a rat's ass [01:49:41] I think I'm going to write a little interpreter for Mantra [01:54:12] * fuzzyhorns [fuzzyhorns!~fuzzyhorn@c-73-38-57-191.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit (Quit: Leaving.). [02:07:28] * evincar [evincar!~jonathanp@173-228-12-231.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com] has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). [02:53:55] * evincar [evincar!~jon@173-228-12-231.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com] has joined the channel. [03:44:06] * rgrinberg [rgrinberg!~rgrinberg@24-246-56-85.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). [06:41:25] evincar, as someone that doesn't have concatenative experience, I can try to go over the tut and raise question marks if it helps ;) [10:39:23] * evincar [evincar!~jon@173-228-12-231.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). [12:00:27] * LACampbell [LACampbell!~lewis@118.148.217.124] has joined the channel. [12:01:20] are concatenative languages amenable to any particular kind of garbage collection [12:03:35] Yes. [12:03:55] Being concatenative doesn't really affect the amenability to GC much either way, I think. [12:05:49] http://home.pipeline.com/~hbaker1/ForthStack.html reading my way thorugh this after some googling [12:06:12] I want to add quotations, but need to figure out where I am going to store them (they're just arrays of subroutine addresses atm) [12:09:07] Forth is usually pretty low-level; it's a bit like coding in C. You're going to have to tackle your memory management about as explicitly. [12:09:27] Have you looked at higher-level concatenative languages like Factor? [12:09:34] That might give some inspiration or implementation ideas. [12:13:35] pjdelport, yeah, I am doing a higher level concatenative language [12:13:59] I am basically trying to find out how to implement quotations [12:15:14] Hmm, this might interest you: http://factor-language.blogspot.co.za/2010/01/how-factor-implements-closures.html [12:15:39] aha, thanks [12:19:19] LACampbell: https://concatenative.org/wiki/view/Factor/Implementation%20history has some more about how Factor's implementation of quotations evolved. [12:19:29] With links to a few more posts. [12:19:49] what factor does is far more sophisticated than I am aiming for [12:19:58] but I read about it from time to time [12:26:51] * rgrinberg [rgrinberg!~rgrinberg@24-246-56-85.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined the channel. [12:30:11] LACampbell: if you are interpreting, then a quotation is just an array [12:34:05] * LACampbell [LACampbell!~lewis@118.148.217.124] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). [14:27:34] * fuzzyhorns [fuzzyhorns!~fuzzyhorn@c-73-38-57-191.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined the channel. [15:18:53] * fuzzyhorns [fuzzyhorns!~fuzzyhorn@c-73-38-57-191.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit (Quit: Leaving.). [15:59:40] * fuzzyhorns [fuzzyhorns!~fuzzyhorn@c-73-38-57-191.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined the channel. [16:34:00] * fuzzyhorns [fuzzyhorns!~fuzzyhorn@c-73-38-57-191.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit (Quit: Leaving.). [17:55:57] * rgrinberg [rgrinberg!~rgrinberg@24-246-56-85.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). [18:17:48] * rgrinberg [rgrinberg!~rgrinberg@cp209-202-78-3.cp.telus.net] has joined the channel. [19:31:38] * defanor [defanor!~defanor@cupcake.uberspace.net] has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). [19:54:23] * defanor [defanor!~defanor@2a02:7aa0:1619::ca46:4831] has joined the channel. [20:42:51] * rgrinberg [rgrinberg!~rgrinberg@cp209-202-78-3.cp.telus.net] has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). [21:37:24] I think most concatenative languages are garbage collected [22:00:24] * fuzzyhorns [fuzzyhorns!~fuzzyhorn@c-73-38-57-191.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined the channel. [23:02:22] * evincar [evincar!~jonathanp@173-228-12-231.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com] has joined the channel. [23:11:27] * suppi [suppi!~suppi@unaffiliated/suppi] has quit (K-Lined). [23:38:13] hey evincar [23:44:08] * saml_ [saml_!~saml@cpe-24-102-97-97.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined the channel.