[00:07:50] * avery [avery!~Avery@h96-60-38-55.mdsnwi.tisp.static.tds.net] has quit (Quit: avery). [00:09:56] * jtimon [jtimon!~quassel@186.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit (Remote host closed the connection). [00:10:46] * avery [avery!~Avery@h96-60-38-55.mdsnwi.tisp.static.tds.net] has joined the channel. [00:52:17] * avery [avery!~Avery@h96-60-38-55.mdsnwi.tisp.static.tds.net] has quit (Quit: avery). [01:04:21] shapr: I would say marijauna doesn't make you a better or worse coder. I would say how much work you put into your code makes you a better or worse coder. [01:04:50] and perhaps how much you lean from others [01:13:50] alot of good programming seems to be stealing the right ideas from others [01:14:09] however you don't want to directly copy, you want to add your own mark to it [01:27:00] * avery [avery!~Avery@h96-60-38-55.mdsnwi.tisp.static.tds.net] has joined the channel. [01:38:59] * avery [avery!~Avery@h96-60-38-55.mdsnwi.tisp.static.tds.net] has quit (Quit: avery). 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I love that blog. [21:57:51] * avery [avery!~Avery@h96-60-38-55.mdsnwi.tisp.static.tds.net] has quit (Quit: avery). [22:49:41] pecan: yep that's me :) [22:49:51] pecan: and thanks for the kind words! [22:53:20] your [22:53:28] *your ATS posts were super helpful [22:54:15] also you may or may not find http://mercurylang.org/ interesting, it seems kinda up your alley. I half expected to find your blog again while looking for stuff related to Mercury :p [23:18:38] pecan: I've played with mercury - I do like it [23:20:08] pecan: I like mercury, prolog and Mozart/Oz in the logic programming space. [23:20:37] But I have a preference for small easy to understand and build systems [23:21:26] ok, maybe that's what I think I have a preference for but I guess ATS doesn't fit the easy to understand model haha [23:21:54] I haven't played with Mozart/Oz enough. I find Mercury quite fun to use though. (Except its typeclasses are a little finnicky it seems. The implementation is not as high quality as I'd like. :/) [23:23:01] Coming from C++, ATS's linear types are pretty easy to understand (and awesome), but type-level programming/dependent typing can be quite tricky. [23:24:36] Mercury and Red are probably my favorite languages for tinkering with atm, I still seem glued to C++ and Perl for actually doing things though :< [23:25:12] I gotta use Factor more. The Factor browser/UI thing was really impressive. [23:27:50] I used Mozart/Oz in a project and liked it but found it supported so many different paradigms it was hard to decide how to structure a program. [23:28:02] Sometimes a bit of enforced structure is nice [23:28:33] I do like dataflow concurrency and the ability to pass logic variables across processes and use them for coordination. [23:29:22] that seems to line up with what I thought when I lasted looked at Mozart (“this looks like too many research projects rolled into one…”) [23:29:50] pecan: yeah, it also suffers from most of the work on it being done by students working to get a thesis of some sort. Then they abandon their work when done. [23:30:12] that's kind of what happened to SAC. I hear the SAC compiler is something of a disaster internally. [23:30:35] Mozart 2 has foundered a bit because of it [23:31:16] I like the look of Red. I used to use Rebol when it came out. [23:31:40] The whole Red binary including GUI system and everything is like 900kb, which I find really cool. [23:32:19] Yes, it's amazing! [23:32:48] Similar feeling that I get from some Forth systems, “the whole thing fits in THAT?” [23:38:33] * tgunr [tgunr!~davec@cpe-76-173-81-182.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined the channel. [23:55:52] doublec, is Pony interesting? It seems complex. I sort of like Rust and it seems Pony might have some similar ideas?