[00:49:17] * allenj12 [allenj12!~user@98.221.156.238] has joined the channel. [00:49:32] this place active? [00:53:17] Sometimes [01:26:24] i wanted to make my own concatenative language for fun. Was hoping for some resources. and also had some questions :D. like does macros exist an a concatenative language? [01:27:40] They can. [01:29:51] is it something that comes natural like in lisp? [01:31:04] * allenj12 [allenj12!~user@98.221.156.238] has quit (Remote host closed the connection). [01:31:54] It's easier than Lisp, because you don't have to worry about variable capture. [01:32:48] It's just splicing lists of words. [01:35:58] In fact, you don't even need macros for that. It can be done with quotes in my language. [01:43:22] Factor has parsing words which are like macros. [04:29:55] * dustinm` [dustinm`!~dustinm@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). [04:30:01] * ephe_meral [ephe_meral!~ephe_mera@innoki.de] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 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[18:14:25] * tgunr [tgunr!~davec@2607:fb90:1e0f:7cb1:50ea:2d34:9fb9:cb3f] has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). [18:15:09] * tgunr [tgunr!~davec@2607:fb90:1e07:930d:7020:ccf1:eb99:3979] has joined the channel. [18:37:52] * tgunr [tgunr!~davec@2607:fb90:1e07:930d:7020:ccf1:eb99:3979] has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). [18:38:46] * tgunr [tgunr!~davec@cpe-76-173-83-160.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined the channel. [19:39:23] I must be doing something wrong, I went all the way back to clean-macosx-x86-64 and it doesn't build either [19:39:57] I am using `./build.sh net-bootstrap' [19:40:41] Which results in https://www.dropbox.com/s/cfgnx9n0q97nkxe/Screenshot%202017-06-14%2009.39.17.png?dl=0 [19:41:14] What is the proper sequence for building from sources? [19:54:35] Using the instructions on http://concatenative.org/wiki/view/Factor/Building%20Factor [19:54:35] I did the following [19:54:35] 1) Checked out clean-macosx-x86-64 [19:54:35] 2) Downloaded http://downloads.factorcode.org/images/clean/macosx-x86-64/boot.unix-x86.64.image [19:54:37] 3) make clean [19:54:37] 4) ./factor -i./factor -iboot.unix-x86.64.image [19:54:47] Which resulted in https://www.dropbox.com/s/ewfo3recf4xsedw/Screenshot%202017-06-14%2009.53.02.png?dl=0 [19:55:19] There is actiually a make after step 3 [20:10:41] just do this imo: ./build.sh update [20:12:22] Can't , it crashes [20:12:40] you should be on master branch of the main repo [20:12:49] and bootstrap then put your changes on top [20:12:56] I'll switch to master and try again [20:13:03] if you change core or vital vocabs too much then it will break bootstrap [20:13:06] oh [20:13:10] one more thing you can try: [20:13:12] make-my-image [20:13:18] then ./factor -i=boot.... [20:13:29] also your step 4) needs an = sigh [20:13:32] sign* [20:15:02] trying [20:17:06] ./build.sh update is compiling, so far, so good [20:19:40] Does the default build use all cores? [20:19:53] erg Takes forever to compile [20:31:42] As before, `./build.sh update' builds, compiles and runs, but with errors, `3 iota' does not return a tuple, https://www.dropbox.com/s/daj70tt5wv478tx/Screenshot%202017-06-14%2010.30.30.png?dl=0 [20:37:14] BTW: `./build.sh make-my-image' does not exist [20:42:13] * jtimon [jtimon!~quassel@117.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). [20:49:47] During the build I never see Loading resource:core/sequences/sequences.factor [20:49:54] Should I? [21:13:15] * tgunr [tgunr!~davec@cpe-76-173-83-160.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). [21:39:16] * tgunr [tgunr!~davec@cpe-76-173-83-160.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined the channel. [21:39:53] Internet got disconnected, if anyone resounded, please do so again [21:54:43] tgunr: iota is now [21:54:53] why do you have any iota floating around still? [21:55:13] core/sequences is in the boot image already. it won't load again during bootstrap [21:55:18] it loads during make-my-image [22:37:02] * flogbot [flogbot!~flogbot@2001:4800:7814:0:2804:b05a:ff04:4ba7] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). [22:37:09] * flogbot [flogbot!~flogbot@2001:4800:7814:0:2804:b05a:ff04:4ba7] has joined the channel. [22:37:09] :rajaniemi.freenode.net 353 flogbot = #concatenative :flogbot tgunr FreeFull rotty evincar ephe_meral dustinm` jeaye Sgeo_ lonjil groovy2shoes mollerse MDude rgrinberg puckipedia otoburb shmibs flout carvite earl_ shachaf erg koisoke merry rjungemann doublec diginet m_hackerfoo hackerfoo strmpnk kanzure jeremyheiler bmp PiDelport [22:37:09] :rajaniemi.freenode.net 366 flogbot #concatenative :End of /NAMES list. [23:07:10] erg well, that explains it, I didn't get the memo, changing all iota to [23:23:07] tgunr: eventually there should be a way to autoupdate :) also i'm curious why bootstrap is using iota though, custom .factor-boot-rc? [23:23:46] I had iota in my startup extensions.factor called from .factor-rc [23:24:02] cool. [23:24:46] I try to place my changes to code in the factor folder as aredefinition in my extensions [23:26:03] I was chasing a red herring, I was expecting to see sequences.factor somewhere in the build output [23:29:50] BTW: Open inviation if you ant to come to Hawaii, I can sponsor at military rates to either https://www.halekoa.com [23:29:50] http://pililaauarmyrecreationcenter.com [23:29:51] [23:33:34] tgunr: Do you live in Hawaii? [23:33:42] yep [23:34:09] Neat. How's the internet connection there? :) [23:34:20] If you a resident you don't have to stay with the guests, just have to check them in on arrival [23:34:38] 300mbps down, 20 up [23:34:55] Not bad [23:35:17] beets the 1.5 T1 I had in California for $400/month [23:35:39] $70 for Internet and TV [23:35:54] I get my internet from the devil. I mean Comcast. [23:36:00] LOL [23:36:03] They only take payment in soul. [23:36:20] ours is from Time-Warner, but never had a problem [23:36:38] in fact, I was at 100 Mbps and they upgrade to 300 for free [23:37:14] HawaiiTelcom has GB fiber, but not on our side of the island [23:40:40] You also probably don't have to be a millionaire to afford a crappy house there. [23:42:35] it is sitill pricey, we bought a 4 bedroom/3bat 2 years ago for $389000 [23:43:20] Now selling for $474000, average is about %6/year [23:47:42] If only I could work remotely. [23:55:27] I work down at the beach a lot :) [23:55:45] about a 10 min walk [23:56:00] ok, headed to the commisary for groceries