[00:11:48] * ColonelJ [ColonelJ!~ColonelJ@unaffiliated/colonelj] has quit (Quit: leaving).
[01:11:15] * Sgeo_ [Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer).
[01:35:13] * Sonderblade [Sonderblade!~helloman@94.191.137.151.mobile.tre.se] has joined the channel.
[01:39:41] * Sgeo [Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined the channel.
[03:36:11] * Sgeo_ [Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined the channel.
[03:39:34] * Sgeo [Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds).
[04:27:43] * Sonderblade [Sonderblade!~helloman@94.191.137.151.mobile.tre.se] has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!).
[07:56:53] * Sgeo_ [Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer).
[08:21:11] * ephe_meral1 [ephe_meral1!~amnesia@ip5f5bf7d1.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined the channel.
[08:27:28] * ephe_meral1 [ephe_meral1!~amnesia@ip5f5bf7d1.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds).
[08:28:50] * ephe_meral1 [ephe_meral1!~amnesia@ip5f5bf7d1.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined the channel.
[11:54:25] * ColonelJ [ColonelJ!~ColonelJ@unaffiliated/colonelj] has joined the channel.
[14:30:51] * ephe_meral1 [ephe_meral1!~amnesia@ip5f5bf7d1.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds).
[15:01:16] * Sgeo [Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined the channel.
[15:05:14] * ronie [ronie!ae728a95@CPE84948cbd3d13-CM84948cbd3d10.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined the channel.
[15:44:00] * ephe_meral1 [ephe_meral1!~amnesia@ip5f5bf7d1.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined the channel.
[18:38:34] * itmuckel [itmuckel!~itmuckel@mue-88-130-56-044.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined the channel.
[18:52:43] <itmuckel> I just found out how to go up in history (C-p) in the listener. Are the shortcuts for the listener documented somewhere?
[19:31:44] <^alex> on the UI Listener page, in the handbook, under UI Developer Tools
[19:34:08] <itmuckel> Ah perfect, thanks! I didn't click on "UI Developer Tools", because I thought it was meant for people developing UIs and not people using UIs to develop. :-D
[20:16:10] * ephe_meral1 [ephe_meral1!~amnesia@ip5f5bf7d1.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds).
[20:41:42] <itmuckel> Is it possible to get a stack element at a specific position? Like accessing an array?
[20:45:02] <itmuckel> Like there is dup for "accessing" the first element, over for accessing the second element and pick for accessing the third element, but is there a general word for this that takes a position I'd like to duplicate?
[21:11:30] <ronie> You can use :> to create a variable. The `locals` vocabulary has some nice features for avoid too much stack shuffling
[21:12:17] <ronie> Probably that's not what you had in mind, sorry. But maybe it could be used to solve the problem :)  
[21:18:04] <itmuckel> Yes, thanks anyway. I'm already using locals, but I need to change "outer" locals inside of a "do until" loop.
[21:19:03] <itmuckel> So I have current-frequency (and also other variables) in the outside and need to set them from inside of a quotation. I think the quotation creates a new lexical scope and doesn't mutate outer locals.
[21:19:46] <itmuckel> I also cannot use a fold/reduce here, because I don't know in advance for how long I will loop. :-)
[21:30:26] <itmuckel> Aaaaaaaah! I got it! I thought to write to a mutable variable I had to use `:> value!` but it's simply `value!`.
[21:37:42] <ronie> '=D 
[21:48:55] <^alex> we tend not to use variables or direct stack picks or direct loops as a matter of personal taste
[21:49:41] <^alex> but we're the kind of person who seems to think in stacks 
[21:51:53] <^alex> closest we've come is https://twitter.com/atax1a/status/1160733832716247041
[21:52:26] <^alex> (using factor to read Twitter export files)
[21:53:04] <^alex> using `6 ndip` to nudge the year into the right spot for a timestamp constructor
[21:55:44] <itmuckel> Yeah, well, I need to slowly get accustomed to the language :-)
[21:56:47] <itmuckel> I need to go now, but I'll share the code I wrote tomorrow and maybe one of you can give me tips on how to write it more idiomatic
[21:56:51] <itmuckel> *ly
[21:57:42] <itmuckel> Good news is: My code works. It took forever to compute the answer to https://adventofcode.com/2018/day/1, but at least I have something I can refactor now. ;-)
[21:57:45] <itmuckel> Bye!
[21:58:26] * itmuckel [itmuckel!~itmuckel@mue-88-130-56-044.dsl.tropolys.de] has left the channel.
[22:32:52] * ronie [ronie!ae728a95@CPE84948cbd3d13-CM84948cbd3d10.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit (Quit: ronie).
[22:36:03] * xelxebar [xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).
[22:38:02] * xelxebar [xelxebar!~xelxebar@gateway/tor-sasl/xelxebar] has joined the channel.
[22:38:30] * Rakko [Rakko!~Rakko@071-082-226-018.res.spectrum.com] has joined the channel.
[23:43:57] * Rakko [Rakko!~Rakko@071-082-226-018.res.spectrum.com] has quit (Quit: Leaving).