[00:24:47] * ColonelJ [ColonelJ!~ColonelJ@unaffiliated/colonelj] has quit (Quit: bye). [01:04:22] * bitmapper [bitmapper!~bitmapper@142.162.167.202] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). [06:25:29] * elioat [elioat!~elioat@yuno.bagel.systems] has quit (Remote host closed the connection). [08:31:18] * itmuckel [itmuckel!578c5bd5@hannover.office.atmina.systems] has joined the channel. [08:32:21] bmps: Oh man. I tried my lsp on Linux and here the communication between IDE and LS just works. Seems to be a Windows issue. Spent the last 5 days going nuts on why it won't work. :D :( [08:33:07] * Sgeo [Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net] has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). [10:18:49] * CcxWrk [CcxWrk!~ccx@asterix.te2000.cz] has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). [10:19:13] * CcxWrk [CcxWrk!~ccx@asterix.te2000.cz] has joined the channel. [10:51:41] * ColonelJ [ColonelJ!~ColonelJ@unaffiliated/colonelj] has joined the channel. [12:58:55] * elioat [elioat!~elioat@yuno.bagel.systems] has joined the channel. [13:19:18] * tgunr [tgunr!~davec@dsl-dhcp-conrtxxahre-72-26-18-39.consolidated.net] has quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). [13:19:59] * tgunr [tgunr!~davec@dsl-dhcp-conrtxxahre-72-26-18-39.consolidated.net] has joined the channel. [14:10:05] I suspect this has something to do with input redirection then, which works very differently. (That, or environment inheritance.) [15:03:30] Yeah, maybe I'll try it out tomorrow. I used the whole day at work to get the response to my vscode client, but it doesn't receive the server's response. [15:03:49] bmps: https://github.com/itmuckel/factor-lsp Here's the code, maybe you find some time to mess with it. [15:04:10] bmps: Tomorrow I'm back at Windows and try to find out why it won't work there. [15:04:15] * itmuckel [itmuckel!578c5bd5@hannover.office.atmina.systems] has quit (Remote host closed the connection). [15:42:26] * bitmapper [bitmapper!~bitmapper@142.162.167.202] has joined the channel. [15:56:25] * erg [erg!~erg@159.65.160.116] has joined the channel. [16:49:23] * ephe_meral [ephe_meral!~amnesia@ip54-97-176-143.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined the channel. [17:05:34] * ephe_meral [ephe_meral!~amnesia@ip54-97-176-143.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). [18:22:39] * itmuckel [itmuckel!~itmuckel@i5E866637.versanet.de] has joined the channel. [18:34:02] * Sgeo [Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18b982ad.dyn.optonline.net] has joined the channel. [19:59:26] hey all. yall been talking in irc! [19:59:49] and the logbot is still up somehow [20:06:40] <^alex> ahoy! [20:16:10] * tgunr [tgunr!~davec@dsl-dhcp-conrtxxahre-72-26-18-39.consolidated.net] has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). [20:17:52] * tgunr [tgunr!~davec@dsl-dhcp-conrtxxahre-72-26-18-39.consolidated.net] has joined the channel. [20:28:04] erg: Hiya! [20:28:08] We have been. [20:28:21] I hate the other chat thing and this still works. I have a Matrix server running if you want a Slacky experience. [20:28:38] I have not gotten as much time to hack on Factor as I'd like this week, but I'm taking tomorrow afternoon off, so that'll help. :) [20:28:42] I'm going to just do Furnace stuff. [20:40:51] hi bmps! [20:41:16] Hola. [20:41:29] <^alex> how active is the Matrix instance? [20:41:34] Still need to get back to you; this week got weird. Our A/C failed, which was an emergency, and then my cat attempted to suicide itself. [20:41:46] oh wow [20:41:48] ^alex: There is literally no one on it other than me. I was offering to put a channel there if that was useful. It's not in use. At all. [20:41:58] hi ^alex [20:42:02] <^alex> sorry about the catte [20:42:07] Specifically, our cat ran up the ladder into the attic, and then hid behind the A/C, where I could not get to it. [20:42:08] It lived. [20:42:11] It was close though. [20:42:24] It finally came out, when it was almost too late, and when I'd given up, and I was able to get it water and then to a vet in time. [20:42:25] <^alex> this has also been a whole-ass weed for us (and it's only thursday) [20:42:27] And our A/C is working again now. [20:42:32] But it's been a weird and stressful week TBH [20:42:49] <^alex> week. [20:43:06] Either can work, depending, ^alex [20:43:33] <^alex> (: [21:08:27] <^alex> oh, yeah, to conclude the matrix conversation, we, also, have a Matrix server with nobody on it but us, but it isn't compelling enough rn to switch off of IRC [21:09:20] I'm gonna get the IRC bridge up tomorrow, but then I'll mostly be using it in place of IRCCloud. [21:10:01] <^alex> legit. we just set up znc instead. [21:12:02] You guys hang out on discord? For all other programming language communities there are discord servers. I couldn't find one for factor or forth, maybe it would be nice to have one. The nim-lang guys have an IRC-bridge (for the irc guys) which works quite well apparently. [21:12:38] I hate Discord, personally, but I'd like to avoid side-tracking on that, so just stating. [21:12:57] I don't think IRC v. Discord v. Gitthingie is why we don't chat much. [21:13:46] <^alex> we're not guys and yeah we're pretty comfortable on irc [21:14:47] "You guys" is a Midwesternism that means "y'all" [21:15:11] I avoid it, but it's not gendered in its indigenous usage [21:15:31] <^alex> being trans and nonbinary we'd rather not have this discussion [21:15:52] Noted and dropped. [21:17:20] I picked it up from Cartman from South Park. He always says that, when he has some news and wants to tell his people^^ I'm not a native speaker [21:17:31] <^alex> to bring it back on topic, looking at itmuckel's code makes us think we need a kind of logging stream that can tee the things it sees to another file [21:17:48] If you're not native, I'd drop it, itmuckel, and replace it with "y'all." I grew up in the Midwest, and even there, it's fallen out of favor. [21:18:01] <^alex> itmuckel, south park is not the best place to pick up on respectful conversational techniques [21:18:02] alright [21:18:07] ^alex: We have that, I thought? [21:18:12] <^alex> do we? [21:18:21] I'm checking. I sure thought so, but I may entirely be misremembering. [21:18:23] <^alex> couldn't find it under `streams` in the listener [21:18:35] <^alex> might be in an extra we hadn't loaded [21:18:35] Hang on, it's not called `tee` if I'm even right about what it's called. [21:18:46] s/what it's called/that we have it [21:19:06] itmuckel: As someone who speaks several languages, I totally feel your pain, but do be aware that Southpark is filled with extremely offensive language. [21:19:20] This includes minutia like (as discussed) how to address groups of people. [21:19:57] Part of the problem is that *most* of it is pretty obviously offensive when it's offensive, but some things are not. [21:20:52] I got screwed by a German show called something like "Wie macht Spaß" that had me sounding like a racist jerk [21:21:22] I'm pretty much done with debugging the LS on windows. I ran out of ideas of why my LS won't get messages on windows :) [21:22:02] LOL [21:22:02] <^alex> yeah, we don't do windows (: [21:22:07] I'll take a look, I promise itmuckel [21:22:11] I just need an actual day when I have time. [21:22:14] And no cats running into the attic [21:23:03] I'm still overwhelmingly confident that it's a `fork` v. `CreateProcess` distinction on some level. [21:23:08] But it might be a blocking issue. [21:26:06] bmps: Hehe, I'm from germany and would love to hear some of the stuff you picked up there :D [21:26:34] I...uh...definitely offended my host family...but I forget why. The one thing that very much sticks in my head is I thought "halt's maul" was way less offensive than it actually was. [21:28:09] I have also long since concluded that I should always use "Sie" in German even up to the point where I'm actively having sex with someone, compared to e.g. French, where you switch to "tu" as soon as you stand within a few feet of each other while one of you is smoking a cigarette [21:28:16] Half kidding. [21:28:20] I think. [21:34:10] Ah bit off topic, but if you know someone a bit and it's not too formal then "Du" is alright, after you asked, if it's okay. Most of the time the other person offers the "Du" to you. [21:36:53] Yes, "Halt's Maul" is quite offensive, but sometimes it's the right thing to say. But it takes a lot of knowledge, not only of the language, but also about interpersonal relationships to feel, when it's okay to say it. When a friend teases me with very mean stuff (as a joke) I sometimes say it, but smiling/laughing to indicate, that it's not mean talk. ;) well, enough of that. "Ruhe [21:36:53] jetzt!" [21:37:33] Looks like I'll have to skim through all this stuff https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-languageserver-node/blob/master/client/src/node/main.ts [21:38:09] I thought the official LSP plugin for VScode would have a lot more contributors. It scares me that this file has only one contributor. :-D [21:48:09] * tgunr [tgunr!~davec@dsl-dhcp-conrtxxahre-72-26-18-39.consolidated.net] has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). [22:16:51] <^alex> itmuckel, from our experience, once you come to know the amount of things that exist in this world solely because one specific recluse holds the last remaining bit of the arcane knowledge, that fear only grows [22:30:29] :) [22:32:12] <^alex> what'll drive you the rest of the way insane is becoming that person [22:35:03] * tgunr [tgunr!~davec@dsl-dhcp-conrtxxahre-72-26-18-39.consolidated.net] has joined the channel. [22:36:33] nah, I can live with leaving unmaintained stuff behind. I'm not sure if I fully understood what you mean. Can you be more specific, offer examples? [22:56:52] * tgunr [tgunr!~davec@dsl-dhcp-conrtxxahre-72-26-18-39.consolidated.net] has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). [23:00:03] <^alex> one time, during an incident at work, we wrote a series of iptables commands that made the conference call drop silent for a good 30 seconds. we reduced a room full of professional network engineers to stunned silence, and the highest ranking manager broke the silence with "^alex, nobody here has seen those options before. so, uh, go ahead and run it, but be ready to roll back?" [23:01:04] <^alex> the rules, which were hyperspecific matches to DNS traffic, solved the immediate problem at hand [23:01:28] <^alex> and gave us the breathing room we needed to further assess the situation [23:03:29] <^alex> that's the kind of thing we mean [23:10:04] <^alex> finding yourself to be the kind of person that casually reverse-engineers the hardcoded DES key out of their ISP-provided hardware is somewhat terrifying in a way [23:11:16] <^alex> especially when the year is post2016 and the DES key ends in 1234 (: (: (: [23:18:29] <^alex> itmuckel, did that clarify? :) [23:19:11] yeah [23:19:18] * tgunr [tgunr!~davec@dsl-dhcp-conrtxxahre-72-26-18-39.consolidated.net] has joined the channel. [23:20:58] If you refer to you as we, how do you refer to a group of which you're part of? In the first sentence I didn't know if you meant "I and my colleagues" or "I", how can I tell what you mean? [23:21:33] <^alex> yeah english is bad at this [23:23:23] <^alex> other languages have a way to distinguish inclusive we from exclusive we [23:24:04] <^alex> this is a perennial frustration of ours [23:25:42] :) [23:26:46] * tgunr [tgunr!~davec@dsl-dhcp-conrtxxahre-72-26-18-39.consolidated.net] has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). [23:27:56] <^alex> and spanish at least lets us say things like 'yo hablamos un poco de español', which is unGrammatical but actually conveys how it works [23:28:15] * itmuckel [itmuckel!~itmuckel@i5E866637.versanet.de] has quit. [23:34:32] * tgunr [tgunr!~davec@dsl-dhcp-conrtxxahre-72-26-18-39.consolidated.net] has joined the channel. [23:51:34] * tgunr [tgunr!~davec@dsl-dhcp-conrtxxahre-72-26-18-39.consolidated.net] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). [23:55:25] * tgunr [tgunr!~davec@dsl-dhcp-conrtxxahre-72-26-18-39.consolidated.net] has joined the channel.