[00:20:37] <doublec> erg: thanks erg!
[00:21:11] <doublec> bitmapper: nice!
[00:21:33] <bitmapper> doublec: https://gist.github.com/bitmappergit/a75479ead32523a7b6f5e4032e8ef7ce based it off of someone else's work :v
[00:21:37] <bitmapper> :p
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[05:23:39] <itmuckel> What do you think of lisp? Any dialects you liked?
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[08:10:22] <itmuckel> A question, I'm currently reading through core.lexer/parser: why is `change-line` in the accessors vocabulary? Seems to be a *very* specific word operating only on objects that have a `line` property.
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[09:55:15] <doublec> itmuckel: I assume it's an automatically generated method where creating a TUPLE - it creates a number of methods for each slot and puts it in the accessors vocab.
[09:57:25] <doublec> itmuckel: see https://docs.factorcode.org/content/article-accessors.html
[10:38:42] <itmuckel> doublec: aaah, thank you!
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[11:13:38] <bmp> erg: Said you invited me, but the invite vanished. What happened?
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[14:51:53] <erg> bmp: failure to reddit
[14:52:20] <erg> bmp: it says you're still invited
[14:58:24] <bmp> Hmm. I’ll poke harder in a second.
[15:33:07] <bmp> erg: Had to use old.reddit.com
[15:33:09] <bmp> They're so forking weird.
[15:33:45] <erg> why can't you say forking?
[15:36:22] <erg> bmp: do you think ghislaine maxwell is reddit.com/user/maxwellhill ?
[15:36:51] <bmp> I dunno, but if someone keeps me from saying forking, they're a real ash hole.
[15:37:55] <bmp> I find it unbelievable, in a very literal sense, that that's Ghislaine Maxwell. She is busy running a child trafficking ring; ain't no one got time to do that, *plus* get 14M karma.
[15:50:15] <erg> from the netflix epstein documentary, it seemed like the child trafficking ring was mostly for epstein himself
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[17:14:28] <^alex> did we wake up in The Good Place all of a forking sudden?
[17:14:32] <^alex> what the fork?
[17:14:41] <^alex> can't even say shine
[17:14:53] <^alex> this is beautiful
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[17:59:56] <bmp> erg: She's charged with directly exploiting children personally, but either way, I still don't see how you could run an operation like that and have such an active Twitter account. Was that account part of the documentary or something?
[18:03:02] <bmp> Anyway, I'm here to buy a gaming PC and work on HTML5 parsing, and I just bought the gaming PC, sooooo
[18:07:17] <erg> ha ha. i looked at the dom insertion, it isn't as bad as i thought. was thinking to use a bunch of SINGLETONS: and have a hook, then dispatch off that when it's time to insert? that also sounds a little slow now that i type it out. just getting it working slow and clean is good enough, then we can speed it up
[18:07:53] <bmp> I would much rather optimize working code than debug optimized code, FWIW.
[18:07:55] <erg> there's that or finishing up the state machine
[18:08:16] <^alex> [there's a million-and-one dark ironies in that the people in power project all of these horrors onto, oh, idk, the LGBTQ community, people of mixed race, black people, brown people, anyone but the people actually involved in perpetuating said horrors]
[18:08:47] <^alex> [we just... have to bring this subtext to domtext, as it were]
[18:09:12] <bmp> I'm fairly sure that DOM is an actual acronym and not a backronym or anything else here.
[18:09:37] <^alex> <that was a combination HTML5, BDSM, and textual analysis pun, bmp>
[18:09:46] <bmp> I was gonna say, but maybe I'm missing a pun here. :)
[18:10:14] <^alex> (also we're a little bit ... diffident about constantly being Like This)
[18:10:20] <bmp> I dunno, I've had a weird week with the NBA saying they hate racists, and the Jews, so I'm probably a bit off on some of this. :)
[18:10:30] <bmp> So I'd ignore me within bounds.
[18:10:45] <^alex> yeah, we weren't trying to discourse here
[18:10:55] <bmp> I know, sorry, just...live is everywhere.
[18:11:06] <^alex> we live, as it were, in a society
[18:11:12] * bmp looks out window
[18:11:16] <bmp> ...you're sure about this?
[18:11:37] <^alex> we make no value judgement about the shape of said society
[18:11:37] <bmp> Well, okay. You said society, not civilization.
[18:11:52] <bmp> Rodger. It's recently looked to me more like boids than civilization. (:
[18:12:02] <^alex> going to, for the second time today, plug the phrase 'agonizing reappraisal', from the Shockwave Rider, by John Brunner
[18:12:27] <^alex> that single pair of words captures more about the current moment than anything else we've found 
[18:12:43] <bmp> Holy carp the boids paper was published in 1987. I think of it as really old, but it's actually quite recent.
[18:13:05] <^alex> we had the same conception about fractals
[18:13:17] <^alex> we thought mandelbrot was from hundreds of years ago
[18:13:28] <bmp> Nope. JoCo even had to rewrite his song when Mandelbrot kicked it.
[18:13:39] <bmp> Er, died. He did not kick the song. I assume.
[18:13:40] <^alex> and not, like, within living memory
[18:13:43] <^alex> lol
[18:13:49] <^alex> we've kicked a song or two
[18:13:59] <bmp> Do you print it out first so you have something to kick?
[18:14:15] <^alex> oh we didn't kick it in physical space
[18:14:18] <bmp> If we do a book burning these days, do you save them to flash drives and then burn those, or what?
[18:14:18] <bmp> Just seems so complicated.
[18:14:45] <^alex> inside our head, concepts have tangibility
[18:14:46] <bmp> I had to read Mein Kampf in college, and it made more sense for me to buy it so I could scribble in it as we were going through it than to borrow it from the library.
[18:14:51] <^alex> oh _ow_
[18:14:58] <^alex> that can't have been pleasant
[18:15:00] <bmp> As a plus, I ripped the pages out as I went and literally shat on them.
[18:15:05] <bmp> So I kind of felt like that worked out.
[18:15:10] <^alex> a fair response
[18:15:35] <^alex> when in a fascist uprising, gallows humor becomes mandatory
[18:15:58] <bmp> We were covering antisemitism across the last few centuries; reading that made a ton of sense. And reading homework when you're working on a religion major is frequently, literally, "read these two books by Thursday and these other three by Monday," so "read Mein Kampf" as a one week assignment was pretty reasonable.
[18:16:11] <bmp> I would like to say, independent of anything else, that that book is horribly written.
[18:16:27] <bmp> I actually checked it out in German once, just to know if the translator was the problem, but, no, it's bad there, too.
[18:16:36] <bmp> ANYWAY
[18:16:39] <bmp> HTML5, let me look at this.
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[19:11:55] <bmp> erg: Grr, I need to dig up Python 3 syntax defs for jEdit.
[19:12:13] <bmp> For no reason other than my annoyance.
[19:12:21] <bmp> (For Factor.)
[19:27:49] <bmp> ...which jEdit does not have.
[19:27:51] <bmp> That was a fun digression.
[19:28:08] <bmp> "Why do I already have jEdit source on this computer?" "Why is it Subversion?" "Oh."
[19:42:39] <bmp> That particular file we have checked in as CRLF too
[21:38:04] <erg> weekend